Where are the Limits of Government Dictates on Your Life?

Richard and Steve,

What do you think about Obama bypassing the balance of power in government and unilaterally making a new law regarding immigration?

What do you think of the Supreme Court taking Obamacare, which was unconstitutional on its face, and rewriting it to MAKE it constitutional by calling it the largest TAX in history?

Regardless of what opinion you have about the contents of these events, do we now have a Tyrant at the wheel. Is that OK with you?? What are we doing? I would also like a war veteran comment.

Do these actions explain a new government agenda? What is their REAL motivation?

One of the key factors that makes United Stats a great country is that we are a Nation of Laws. Health care plan, passed by the Country's Legislative body has now been affirmed by the Highest Court in the Land. It is a reasonable position to take that as good citizens it is now our civic duty to make sincere effort and positive contribution in an effort to make it work.

There is no question that the legislation itself needs to be improved dramatically. After all it is a new legislation intended to provide a much needed service to more than 300 million people. Even the constitution needed numerous amendments over several decades. With positive contribution from all, it can, and will be improved over the next few years.

Rome wasn't built in day, and I daresay that overhauling the current corrupt and inept health system is more challenging than building a city.

John, I honor your obvious passion in this area. I invite you to also open up your compassion for those 30+ million fellow citizens who stand to receive much needed benefits, in some cases, literally a matter of life and death, through this. It is much easier to be critical than correct. In order for us to bring about positive changes, we must open our hearts and do more to take care of our neighbors, friends and peers.

If I may quote Eleanor Roosevelt, Great minds discuss ideas. Average minds discuss events. Small minds discuss people.

I don't see that the people who govern us make any better or healthier choices than the rest of citizenry. We trust them to make decisions for us.??

Nadir, We don't need socialist legislation pushing the "health care reform," But I do agree we need to fix a broken health care system.

Well gee wiz already it’s the non medical guys in suits who decide if I can have a surgical procedure that my Dr. recommends/advises,and just exactly how many days I’m allowed to recover in hospital. And the insurance company decides which prescriptions I can fill and which I can’t have because there is no generic form of the medication yet. So why not more health care unform.

Already people's existing insurance policy premiums are going up.

Nadir,

Thanks you for your comment.

As a Nation of Laws, the Supreme Court does not have legislative rights. When Obama-care was interpreted as a tax, that was writing legislation.

So, it seems we are surrounded by a government that chooses which laws to follow and which ones to trample. We can't do that! That is not how this country was built.

Communism, socialism, and tyrannical leaders were not built in a day either. They start just like this.

After watching government lie, cheat, and steal from us for over 50 years, any Polly Anna ideas I once had have been squashed long ago.

Calista,

Less than 10% of the country (not illegal aliens) are insured. So, why not address them and not 100% of the population?

Let's say that number is even wrong and the uninsured is much higher such as 30% (which its not), again why involve 100% of the population?

This is yet another dimension of the fraud being perpetrated against us.

Calista,

Sorry about the above error.

Less than 10% of the country (not illegal aliens) IS NOT insured. So, why not address them and not 100% of the population?

Let's say that number is even wrong and the uninsured is much higher such as 30% (which its not), again why involve 100% of the population?

This is yet another dimension of the fraud being perpetrated against us.

John

Thanks I was a bit befuddled,now it makes sense.

Calista

So now I'm hearing that increasing numbers of employers will stop offering health/medical care plans to their employees. Many who are now insured through their employment are going to be in a real bind to find affordable plans.

Unintended by whom? What other consequences could there possibly be?

Actually, I should think of something nice to say.

The good news is that there are a lot of uses for all that ice. Relief of pain, for example:-)

Dennis,

I appreciate your optimism but this is about Power not health. This is about the government absorbing billions of dollars and dispensing incompetence.

As said above, politicians will decide if your ill and what to do about it. They will take the place of your doctor by deciding what treatment will be paid for and what you can't afford, you will be denied.

Socialized medicine has been available in England and Canada for years yet many citizens feel the need to BUY insurance due to the many gaps in the government plan.

Of course we have yet to leave the tip of the iceberg which Richard and Calista can certainly expound upon.

I'm not sure I understand. Many governments have a social health insurance programs. I haven't heard any of their citizens complain about the government making all of their health decisions. Health insurance is still available in those nations, so that industry hasn't been wiped out. Currently insurance companies decide what gets paid for and what doesn't. Those people aren't doctors either. I sense a lot fear in this conversation but nobody saying "everything is fine we don't need to fix our health care program." Definition of insanity is to repeat the same actions and expect different results. I know the new laws haven't helped yet. We need to something different though. What do you suggest other than these extreme comments about fear and socialism?

John,

Dennis is an established health professional. I would actually welcome more of his insight into these issues.

Laura

Laura,

Most of my information came from health professionals in the insurance business, hospital directors, doctors, personal injury attorneys, and those who live in countries where socialized medicine is offered. This offered me a wide range of attitudes and perspectives.

Also, this topic is in another location running several dozen posts, if not hundreds of posts ,and nothing was resolved.