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Posted by Joe Shirley, Seattle, Washington | Feb 23, 2006

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I thought I'd start this thread for myself and others to ask for and offer feedback on ideas we're trying out based on Chris and Dom's Top Ten Marketing Mistakes class the other night.

I'd like feedback on two different "branding" terms for myself. The first term more explicitly says what somebody gets when they use my services:

The Mood Transformation Coach

The second term rolls off the tongue and sticks in the mind more easily. Plus it's more fun.

The Mood Wizard

Which is a better candidate to build a personal brand around, and why?

Thanks!

12 Bizniks have posted replies

  • Chris Haddad
    Posted by Chris Haddad, Seattle, Washington | Feb 24, 2006

    I'm voting for Mood Wizard, though if you ever dress up in a pointy hat and robe, I'm running the other way.

  • Joe Shirley
    Posted by Joe Shirley, Seattle, Washington | Feb 24, 2006

    Thanks Chris. I'm leaning in that direction too, although the "coach" is more clear in people's minds. One solution:

    The Mood Wizard: Coaching for Emotional Mastery

    What do you think? And would it be a mistake to incorporate some version of "pointy hat and robe" into a visual logo? I can think of arguments for and against.

  • Andrew Friedman
    Posted by Andrew Friedman, Seattle, Washington | Feb 24, 2006

    Hey there, Joe.

    First, it was good heaering from you and all the others the other night at the marketing meeeting, so that meeting really was interesting to me.

    As to your question, I have to say that I don't really like either name, to be honest. They are good, but not great - and you need a great name.

    The first option is good, but it is not a good branding name, as it's too professional and not memorable enough in my opinion.

    The second is certainly more brandable, but it's not professional enough. The word "wizard" is to Lord of the Rings, and picture someone thinking about you on one hand, and another practitioner on the other whose name does not have the word 'wizard' in it...

    I like the word "Mood" a lot as a way to start off with, but there's a better complimentary suffix that would work as your branding/service name.

    Again, it was good hearing from you the other day so keep the ideas flowing.

    Andrew

  • Andrew Friedman
    Posted by Andrew Friedman, Seattle, Washington | Feb 24, 2006

    Oops. I spelled the word "too" as "to" incorrectly in that fourth paragraph. That's what happens when one does not doublecheck one's writing.

  • Joe Shirley
    Posted by Joe Shirley, Seattle, Washington | Feb 24, 2006

    Thanks Andrew.

    I hear you. I'm sitting here just now wrestling with the appeal of "mood wizard" as a branding icon, against the whimsy of it that seems to undermine a professional image.

    One of my challenges is that my work is out-of-the-box different. In some ways I'm not a "professional" as much as I am a disciplined rebel. I have no formal training in either coaching or therapy. What I have is a deep dissatisfaction with the limited options available to people who struggle with moods, and ten years of hard work coming up with a better alternative.

    So is it more important to communicate that up front, or better to find a handle that fits the expectations for professionalism in the general category of service I provide (counseling/coaching/?)?

    This is getting at the core of my struggle to create a cohesive marketing message. I welcome any thoughts, challenges, ideas, etc.

  • Dan McComb
    Posted by Dan McComb, Seattle, Washington | Feb 25, 2006

    Coming up with a great name is a real challenging exercise, esp. if you want to find one that also has the domain name available. In the case of Biznik it meant creating a new word, but one that still conveyed instantly recognizable meaning. Not sure if that's appropriate in your case or not, but something to consider. It's also incredibly easy to track what people anywhere on the Internet are saying about your business when you invent a new word and set it loose, by subscribing to Google Alerts or by subscribing to the RSS feed of a search on the term. My advice: Don't pick the first few names that come to you - sit with it, play with it, have fun with it, run it by lots of people, but ultimately it's your name, so you've got to love it.

  • Lara Feltin
    Posted by Lara Feltin, Seattle, Washington | Feb 26, 2006

    I agree with Dan - don't necessarily pick the first word/name that comes to mind. I like Mood Wizard - but I'm not sure that's quite IT yet. It makes me think of someone you might hire to entertain at your 6-year-old's birthday party.

    Getting feedback from others and collecting their responses is great. We spent close to 8 weeks choosing a name for Biznik. When we started this group, we were simply the BizGroup. Lots of names got tried on for size including BizFire and Bizbiz. To think we what we'd have now if we'd stuck with one of those first two. ack.

    I really like "9Joys" is there a reason you're moving away from that? Could you not simply be a practitioner or a facilitator of the 9Joys program?

  • Carey Christie
    Posted by Carey Christie, Seattle, Washington | Feb 26, 2006

    It seems like this is a great opportunity to take Dominick's advice to come up with a few specific target communities, and get some feedback from them on the name. I do think the name is just the name, and your whole brand is a much bigger deal, but as long as you're testing ideas why not test them on the people you want to attract as customers? I like "9 Joys" and don't like "Mood Wizard," but I might not be your target market.

  • Joe Shirley
    Posted by Joe Shirley, Seattle, Washington | Feb 26, 2006

    Thank you all. I too have been coming back to wondering why not stay with being a 9JOYS practitioner. The reason I strayed from that is, it feels like selling 9JOYS is to promote an entire methodology. I think the time will come for that. The fact is, at the moment, while that methodology is what I do, it's just me doing it, and what I really have to sell is just li'l' ol' me.

    I'm going back to Chris and Dominic talking about how it doesn't work to say "we" when there's just one of you, for example. I am wondering if I am overstating my position when the brand I'm promoting is 9JOYS vs. something more personal and individual.

    Dan and Lara, your input about not taking the first thing does resonate -- it took me about 8 years of trying one name and then another before settling on 9JOYS as the name of my work. It does fit. I like it. It appeals to people.

    So I'm shifting back to finding a way to combine 9JOYS with something more personal/individual. Here's what I've got so far:

    9JOYS Coach 9JOYS Mood Transformation Coach 9JOYS Coach for Emotional Mastery

    Carey, I think you're right. Time to try these out with real prospects in my target communities.

    Funny, I had to pull out my business card because I forgot what I put on there. Just had them printed for last week. I've got my title as "9JOYS Coach." Maybe I'll just take that and run with it.

    Chris and Dom - this is so doggone hard, you know? Being so close to it means I have a hard time stopping the questioning and second-guessing. What if it's not the best choice, and what if I get stuck with it, or it turns people off, etc... More argument for getting out of my head and putting it in front of real prospective customers.

  • Lara Feltin
    Posted by Lara Feltin, Seattle, Washington | Feb 26, 2006

    Hang in there - you're doing great.

    It's funny, as I was half way through your post and started mentally composing a reply, I thought - stick with plain ol' "coach" - it's simple and to the point. Then I read that you just got some cards made and all they say is Coach. So now I say - stick with your intuition and your gut reaction.

    If you'd like to add the words "mood," "transformation," or "mastery" to the name somewhere, then I'd think about composing a tag line along the lines of the two tag lines we wrote for Biznik: "Radical Self Promotion" and "A Networking Group that Doesn't Suck."

    9 Joys Transforming Your Moods Joe Shirley 9 Joys Coach

    (Though you ought be able to come up with a better tag line than that.) ;)

  • Dan McComb
    Posted by Dan McComb, Seattle, Washington | Feb 26, 2006

    I kind of like: "9 Joys Life Coach"

  • Joe Shirley
    Posted by Joe Shirley, Seattle, Washington | Feb 27, 2006

    I'm sitting with "9 Joys Life Coach" and liking it. "Life Coach" is something everyone relates to, and "9 Joys" says this is life coaching that's different somehow.

    One difference that might be useful to highlight: 9JOYS is great for people who use their feelings to know what's true, or what to do, etc. They say things like, "It feels right, so I'll do it," or "I know it's true because I feel it." For those people, (and I'm one of them), standard life coaching (and cognitive behavioral therapy a la Dr. Phil) doesn't appeal. We don't "just do it" or "think positive thoughts" as a way of creating what we want. Instead, we use feelings to navigate, and sometimes that gets us in trouble, because feelings have a way of getting stuck and obscuring our perception.

    Perhaps there's a way for me to capture all that in a tag line.

    9JOYS Life coaching for people who feel deeply

    ...or something like that.

    I've got a lot to work with, though, and I'm feeling like I'm on track. Thank you for your contributions!

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  • Chris Haddad
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  • Joe Shirley
    Pioneer, Writer, Teacher, Speaker, Coach
    Seattle, Washington
  • Andrew Friedman
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  • Dan McComb
    Filmmaker (Biznik Cofounder)
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    Cofounder, Biznik
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