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<span class="basic_member_name">Barry Hurd</span>
Barry Hurd
Social Media Promotion and Training
Seattle, Washington
Posted by Barry Hurd, Seattle, Washington | Aug 11, 2008

Subscribe to Community-wide general discussion Being Rude: How to Hi-Jack an Article Thread

I have been asked by a good number of people why I don't post more articles on the Biznik site that are like the educational pieces I write elsewhere. I am opening this up for discussion and commentary because I would like to see a workable solution to the problem.

The answer: Unfortunately I've been seeing an increasing trend to "thread hi-jack" articles and commentary with purely commercial pitches.

Someone writes an amazing and informational piece about legal issues, and then one or two people comment and say "me, me, me!"

I am not against someone having a different point of view, but to see someone just say "now that you've read article X,Y,Z - come see my business profile and buy from me" is just annoying, slightly aggravating, and usually just distasteful.

As a professional service provider- the articles that most of us share are intended to relate our professional knowledge and expertise in our industry.

Here are some basic rules I've kept over the years of moderating community forums:

1- If you are not having a discussion or conversation about the article topic, you are not commenting. You are pitching.

2- If you would like to pitch yourself, take the time to actually provide something worthwhile to the community. DO NOT pretend that adding your contact information to the conversation thread is worthwhile.

3- If you have nothing worthwhile to add to the conversation, please remain silent.


I would like to add that I encourage and support different points of view. In the world of professional expertise, someone has the ability to "win me over" if they can defend the point of view they are sharing with the community.

How do other members here feel about this?


8 Bizniks have posted replies

  • Valerie Farris
    Posted by Valerie Farris, Seattle, Washington | Aug 11, 2008

    There are people who behave "badly" in every community, and it's simply impossible to expect Biznik's Learn section to be immune to that. Don't let the annoying behavior of a few keep you from sharing what might be valuable information with the rest of us.

    Biznik is a venue for people who are in business for themselves. I don't think it's unexpected that some will use every opportunity to pitch their business. Sure, it could be more appropriately done. Would it be better if the person pitching provided something of value (and something at least minimally related to the article's topic) to the community in return for the "privilege" of pitching? Yep. However, allowing your annoyance with people to keep you from utilizing the amazing resource that is Biznik is kind of biting off your nose to spite your face.

    Best,

    Valerie

  • John Hays
    Posted by John Hays, Seattle, Washington | Aug 11, 2008

    I know I'm going to pi** off someone; however, to be entirely truthful, I seldom read articles and tips on this site. My primary reason is a lack of time, compounded by too many threads like you describe and too much unoriginal material.

    Controversy is good if constructive discussion arises from the differing opinions expressed.

    I'm all for old ideas presented in new ways; sometimes they click for me when presented in new frames. I'm sure it works the same for others.

    I've read some good material that has been helpful for me. What works for me might not work for others and vice versa.

    When the articles and tips began, I read them all. As the volume of material increased and I began to encounter postings that turned me off, work became more important than keeping up. At first I scanned for interesting titles; then I had to quit. I'm sure I'm missing some good ideas.

  • John Hays
    Posted by John Hays, Seattle, Washington | Aug 11, 2008

    After my posting, I read Valerie's. I do think that people should post their material. Who can predict what might end up being very useful to the members?

    However, I think that there are at least two perspectives to consider, that of the writer and that of the reader. And the reader perspective can be broken down further into those who read and are moved to respond and the rest.

    There are lessons for all of us in this conversation. This is not the first time this discussion has occurred on this site.

  • Hsuan-Hua Chang, PCC, MS
    Posted by Hsuan-Hua Chang, PCC, MS, Seattle, Washington | Aug 12, 2008

    How do I feel about it?

    First of all, I don't have time to read tips and most of the articles; not mentioning the comment.

    Every week, I choose 3 articles to read based on my focus and they impacted my biz one way or another. I appreciate the time and effort put in by the author.

    I myself will continue to publish even I got bad rating or unfavorite comment. I write for a reason. If I am clear about it, no one can change my course by their actions. :)

  • Banu Sekendur
    Posted by Banu Sekendur, Clearwater, Florida | Aug 12, 2008

    There are definitely smarter ways of building a reputation for yourself without sticking out like a sore thumb.

    One quick example: By posting this thread, Barry got a chance to let us know that people have been requesting (asking about) his educational articles that he posts in other places. This tells us that he is an expert in his area and is a sought after content creator. And the second benefit is that some folks might want to see where else he posts these educational articles. Thus, pulling some traffic to his website etc.

    So there. He did it, but he did it smarter. But that's what Barry does well...

    And please let's get real. We are all "guilty of" posting a comment to prove something or to "stick it to somebody" or to make ourselves look good at one time or another. We all have egos and it wants to be fed. :)

    Plus, the people who are commenting on articles and tips JUST to plug in their business are sort of cutting the branch they are sitting are, aren't they? I mean, everything we do and say adds to the mental picture people have of us. Vice versa is true as well...

    That's my two cents. :)

  • Barry Hurd
    Posted by Barry Hurd, Seattle, Washington | Aug 12, 2008

    Valerie- I can understand the value of sharing with the community, but one of the trends I am seeing more and more of is non-contributing members trying to "close the sale" on an article that someone else wrote. An increasing amount seem to be less experienced or non-expert personalities.

    John- I think your own issue is seen by a large number of members here on Biznik. When the quality becomes degraded by two or three bad elements, I believe a lot of audience members find better things to do. Trying to hi-jack is one of the more degrading elements I have seen lately, but there are a few others too.

    Banu- Of course everyone should read my articles. ;) One of the main benefits I have on some of the other article sites (blogs, communities, etc) is that comments have a delete button. I know that Biznik has always been modeled after a more open mindset, but some days it would be nice to delete some of those comments that just don't belong.

  • Arthur Torelli
    Posted by Arthur Torelli, Seattle, Washington | Aug 12, 2008

    Any article written about your own industry for the purpose of sharing information shouldn't be hijacked by a competitor for the purposes of promoting your own services. I have seen some posts on this site where some one asks for information from the general membership and then the service providers show up and say hey give me a call and I can help you all sort this out. I think that's fair. No matter what whenever posting you should be trying to add worth while content or opinion. Art T.

  • Caroline Strittmatter
    Posted by Caroline Strittmatter , Snohomish, Washington | Aug 12, 2008

    I have wanted to write an article or tip and have started quite a few of them but fear got the better of me. Now it is terror. I was unaware of such deep feelings. Is there guidelines that will help me not do the wrong thing? Caroline Strittmatter

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