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Rachel Whalley
Seattle Alternative Healer & Psychotherapist
Seattle, Washington
Posted by Rachel Whalley, Seattle, Washington | Aug 25, 2007

Subscribe to Community-wide general discussion How do you feel about discussing "deep" issues at a Biznik event?

I'm wondering what you think about discussing deep, emotional, or challenging issues with other Bizniks. Is this something that sounds awkward/inappropriate to you, or do you like the idea of getting closer to some of your fellow indies?

I ask because I put an event on the calendar that I'm calling a Stuckness Social. The format will be similar to my popular Biz Blogger Chat Groups, in that we'll meet and discuss whatever comes up. The difference is that the theme is "being stuck in your business" rather than "biz blogging."

I'm pretty comfortable with being personal with most other people, so I can't use myself as a litmus test for this event idea. So I'd like to know your thoughts:

Would you like to talk about your biz challenges with a small group (maximum of 8 people) over a lunch?

What do you like or dislike about this idea?

16 Bizniks have posted replies

  • Kelly Hobkirk
    Posted by Kelly Hobkirk, Seattle, Washington | Aug 25, 2007

    I can imagine some folks being a bit reserved talking about the deep stuff in a group setting because of a perception that it may reveal some weakness or vulnerability in their business.

    Me? I'm an open book. One of my favorite lines is in the 1973 Clint Eastwood movie, Magnum Force: "A man's got to know his limitations." (I'm sure this applies to women as well!)

    I have to imagine others are totally open about things too. I think it is Dan McComb who likes to say that not everyone can do everything. I think collaboration can extend to life outside of specific business tasks as well.

    Grade school kids might benefit from this type of event too.

  • Barry Hurd
    Posted by Barry Hurd, Seattle, Washington | Aug 25, 2007

    Oh here... I'll go for an open book scenario.

    I believe that personal obstacles and life challenges actually provide key elements to business success. For me the loss of a daughter, mother, grand-mother all led to a greater understanding of my personal strength.

    Professionally dealing with severe and complicated issues like lay-offs, corporate fraud, and medical absences grew my ability to persevere.

    Weakness is the key to strength, not only in spirit but in business too.

  • Amy Woidtke (woid-key)
    Posted by Amy Woidtke (woid-key), Greater Seattle, Washington | Aug 25, 2007

    i'm an open book too.

  • Ed Antkowiak
    Posted by Ed Antkowiak, Seattle, Washington | Aug 25, 2007

    I completely agree - I think that personal challenges affect us on all levels, and trying to create business success as entrepreneurs can't really be separated from generating personal internal alignment.

    I think that we grow through our challenges, and talking about what is really going on is a way to speed up and smooth out the process, as well as helping others with similar challenges and creating deeper community bonds.

    My two cents...

    I'd be interested.

  • Mark Silver
    Posted by Mark Silver, Portland, Oregon | Aug 25, 2007

    Oh, you know me, Rachel. Dive in. And the first person to dive in makes it safer for others. Being in business is an incredibly vulnerable thing to do, and the more we can connect in that vulnerability, the better our businesses do. And our lives.

    If I lived closer, I would be there.

    And- I clicked on the event twice- it comes up blank. You may want to check on it to make sure it's really there.

  • Adrienne Fritze
    Posted by Adrienne Fritze, Portland, Oregon | Aug 25, 2007

    Vulnerability is the key to living a fulfilling life - and your business is an important part of your (my, our) life. I facilitate business workshops for artists and creative pros - have worked in prison settings, with "troubled" and at-risk teens, and more - and my most powerful tool is being vulnerable, and allowing vulnerability in the room (yea, even fostering it).

    That written, I have also run across people who do not want to know of your vulnerabilities. The trick for me with them is to remain being vulnerable in the face of that rejection - to stay true to my commitment and vision (to love, to be loved, to be a conduit for love) - and to honor their humanity as well as my own.

    Follow your instinct...it'll guide you true...

    Best, A.

  • Rebecca Wood
    Posted by Rebecca Wood, Lynnwood, Washington | Aug 26, 2007

    Odd woman out.... Im one of those reserved people... I dont do deep unless its with someone Ive been friends with for a while

  • Rachel Whalley
    Posted by Rachel Whalley, Seattle, Washington | Aug 26, 2007

    Hi Mark,

    The link seems to be working again. Check it out: Stuckness Social event.

    Thanks to the rest of you for chiming in. It sounds like there's some interest in this idea, so I'm glad I'm trying it.

  • Mike  Davidson
    Posted by Mike Davidson, Bremerton, Washington | Aug 28, 2007

    I would advise making sure that the level of depth is known up front. "this is going to be a deep, emotional meeting, be prepared to share your heart and for others to share theirs" kind of disclosure. OR you could say this is the first stage and the next meeting will go deeper... just so people know what they are getting into and that your truly get the right effect at your meeting.

    Sounds like you are doing a good thing and I hope it is an amazing success for everyone involved.

  • Frank Wong
    Posted by Frank Wong, San Francisco/ El Cerrito, California | Aug 28, 2007

    I would be up for it but the setting and participation of everyone there plays an important role on the level of deepness. It is therefore recommended to have a great group facilitator who understands group dynamics to truly bring out the value of such an exercise.

  • Mike Watters
    Posted by Mike Watters, Portland, Oregon | Aug 28, 2007

    I just signed up. It's not the type of event that will appeal to everyone, but I'm all about getting deep over lunch. It's like mid-day therapy with a little bit of kvetching thrown in for good measure.

  • Rachel Whalley
    Posted by Rachel Whalley, Seattle, Washington | Aug 29, 2007

    Frank, I totally agree. There's no real planning for a group event because the group itself will develop how the event goes. Luckily, I'm usually good with group dynamics (it was part of my training as a therapist), so I think we'll create something enjoyable.

    Mike D, do you think that the event listing itself provides an appropriate disclosure that we'll be talking about "deep" stuff? I don't expect lots of tears or anything, but I do believe it's going to produce conversation that goes beyond the superficial.

  • Stephanie Peacocke, MA, CCM, CPRW
    Posted by Stephanie Peacocke, MA, CCM..., Gig Harbor, Washington | Aug 31, 2007

    I'm all for conversations that go beyond the superficial - I'm not sure I've ever figured out how to stay interested in the superficial ones.

    And I like the idea of a community event that's focused on getting past stuckness instead of looking into what's causing the stuckness. This is because there are usually legitimate (and sometimes) significant reasons that people are stuck where they are.

    So, personally, I would attend a group event on this subject if I knew that we weren't going to explore what causes our personal stuckness (I prefer one on one conversations with people I know well and reflecting/journaling for that). An event that focused on stories on what has worked for others, strategies for getting past it, and ways to get re-inspired ito engage in whatever adaptive work we need to do in order to move beyond where we are - that would be great.

  • Rachel Whalley
    Posted by Rachel Whalley, Seattle, Washington | Sep 01, 2007

    Good to know, Stephanie. The Stuckness Social I'm hosting next week is open-ended at the moment. The conversation will be whatever the group decides to make it.

    I have a feeling you'll be excited about the next version I host, though. I'm having an event at the end of September that I'll be cohosting with Soleil and Banu. Our goal is to shift people out of their stuckness, so it's going to be a practical event. Each of the cohosts will be leading a section of the evening, using different techniques (art therapy, body/mind integration, and EFT) to move the group to somewhere new.

  • Rachel Whalley
    Posted by Rachel Whalley, Seattle, Washington | Sep 08, 2007

    Update: the event I mentioned above that I'm doing with Soleil and Banu is actually going to be held in late November, due to some scheduling conflicts.

    Also, my Stuckness Social this week went so well that I'm doing another on Sept. 18th. If you're craving some slightly deeper conversation than what occurs over drinks and loud pub music, come and join us. Everyone gets stuck in their biz at one point or another. You don't need to be currently stuck in order to participate in the conversation.

    I find that people who come to the Chat Group and Social events I've hosted really enjoy that there's a chance to really get to know their fellow Bizniks more intimately. I think having a theme for our conversations really gets the words flowing. Here's the link for the next one: Stuckness Social.

  • Jennifer M Morrison
    Posted by Jennifer M Morrison, Seattle, Washington | Sep 18, 2007

    I think I'm one of the "open-book" types... for better or worse I suppose. But Rachel, attending the last Stuckness Social really helped me because I get inspiration from hearing other people's stories, as well as getting feedback for my own "stuck issues". I found it really helpful to sit with likeminded people in that format and chat. Seemingly different people like to share different information, but, I think when people attend first-hand, they'll see that it's a casual, comfortable, brainstorming conversation without judgement... it's a fabulous thing. And, even if you don't put into action some of the ideas that are tossed around, the Stuckness Social made me realize that I am not alone in my non-movement!!! Thank you Rachel!!

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