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Kaya Singer
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Portland, Oregon
Posted by Kaya Singer, Portland, Oregon | Dec 28, 2008

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It seems like some businesses are doing well in spite of the downward economy. It's an interesting question. I can suggest two possible reasons. Certain businesses have products and services that people really need right now. For instance if you are selling tire chains in a big snowstorm. But some business owners are saavy enough to stay on top of the game and constantly tweak their products to meet the needs of their customers.

Second reason is that a small business owner often is under-funded and therefore they cut back on when they should invest. The people who do well are the ones who keep investing in their business by getting help, creating better systems, managing their money and creating a strong foundation. Any other ideas? Do you agree?


24 Bizniks have posted replies

  • Judy Dunn
    Posted by Judy Dunn, Seattle, Washington | Dec 30, 2008

    Great question, Kaya. We had a lull in the late fall, but December has actually been quite busy.

    I think that initially businesses freak out and think they need to cut marketing budgets, but the smart ones realize that investment in marketing helps them gain market share by staying in the forefront of their customers' mind.

    It is certainly a time to be tracking your results, tinkering with strategies and focusing on what is working. I love to see clients who are pleasantly surprised when their investment in marketing improves their bottom line. Very gratifying.

  • Kaya Singer
    Posted by Kaya Singer, Portland, Oregon | Dec 30, 2008

    Judy, thanks for chiming in.

    My business is actually doing very well right now - which is what made me think about these questions. I agree that the smart ones realize that investing in their business helps it to grow stronger. It has worked for me and sounds like it's working for you too.

    By the way- I love your weekly marketing tips. Short and sweet. I do a monthly BIz Tips that are similar and people seem to like it.

  • Kimberly Christensen
    Posted by Kimberly Christensen, Hanover Park, Illinois | Dec 30, 2008

    Hello Kaya!

    I experienced a bit of a lull in late November through mid-December, but things seem to be picking up now. With the new year just around the corner, my clients are ready to roll out their new products and marketing strategies.

    Somehow, a new year seems to infuse people with renewed energy and purpose. I know I'm ready to move forward and am excited about new projects and possibilities!

  • Kaya Singer
    Posted by Kaya Singer, Portland, Oregon | Dec 30, 2008

    Kimberly Thanks for sharing. I would think that your business is something needed right now as well as you support small businesses to be more efficient.

    More and more people are becoming business owners and need your help.

  • Jeff Fisher
    Posted by Jeff Fisher, Portland, Oregon | Dec 31, 2008

    Historically, over the past 30 years, my business is at its best when the economy is at its worst - for a variety consistent reasons I've written about previously. 2008 has been no different. Usually December is a bit slower than other months - in fact, in some past years I have closed my office in December - but as soon as I planned a two-week December 2008 vacation things got incredibly busy. Most new clients were agreeable to waiting until after the first of the year so, I will be starting 2009 with multiple new clients, several magazine articles to write, and a new book contract in place.

    Much of the constant work flow, even in bad economic times, is due to marketing myself aggressively ALL of the time - not waiting until no work is coming in the door.

    Best of luck to everyone in the new year!

    Jeff Fisher | Jeff Fisher LogoMotives | Tweet! Tweet!

  • Kaya Singer
    Posted by Kaya Singer, Portland, Oregon | Dec 31, 2008

    Jeff

    Good to hear from you and I have to admit I was a bit envious reading your tweets about laying in the sun while we dealt with the Big Snow.

    What your share is what I have seen true for me as well. When I keep the marketing up, it works. Jay Abrahams my marketing guru says that it takes four months for any marketing campaign to take off so it's important to not let up.

    To add to what you share about marketing I would include working on all parts of your business all the time, keeping current, organized, strategic planning, money management and good customer service.

    Doing those things keeps your business strong enough to wirthstand shifts in the economy.

  • Jeff Fisher
    Posted by Jeff Fisher, Portland, Oregon | Dec 31, 2008

    Great additional advice Kaya. Many of the tasks you mention are part of the reason that I have no client contact on Fridays. I tell clients that my office is closed and I do not answer their calls, emails or work on their projects. Fridays are MY time - to market and do all the other business "things" that need to be completed on a timely and regular basis.

    Jeff Fisher | Jeff Fisher LogoMotives | Tweet! Tweet!

  • Kaya Singer
    Posted by Kaya Singer, Portland, Oregon | Dec 31, 2008

    Jeff- same for me. No clients on Fridays for the same reason! It's hard for me to say no to people for Friday appointments but I have to do it.

    I suppose I "shouldn't even still be on the computer at 7:19 PM but that...ahem.. seems ok...

  • Celeste Ray
    Posted by Celeste Ray, Houma, Louisiana | Jan 01, 2009

    I quadruppled my access to resources by relocating in the end of 2008...I am rareing to go in 2009...

    A few words that pulled me through...

    Love, Life, Health, Happiness

    Value, Connections, Resouces

    Joy to You and Yours, Celeste Ray MTCM

  • Leah Oviedo
    Posted by Leah Oviedo, Encinitas, California | Jan 02, 2009

    Business was slow this year, but our internet sales were up.

    Once we stared advertising in smaller venues with lower prices, our sales increased. We are also advertising for longer periods and I am optimistically looking forward to seeing how our sales are in 6 months.

    Creativity and new opportunities have been our saving grace.

  • Chris Haddad
    Posted by Chris Haddad, Seattle, Washington | Jan 02, 2009

    2008 was a good year . . . especially 4th quarter. No idea what 2009 is going to be like, but there's lots of projects on the horizon.

  • Kaya Singer
    Posted by Kaya Singer, Portland, Oregon | Jan 02, 2009

    Celeste I love your "words." I think I will generate a few words for 2009 and post them on the wall in my office next to my vision board. Great idea. Good luck in 2009 and it sounds like you are ready!

    Leah, You have just demonstrated one of the things I believe- that as an entrepreneur it is important to look at what you customers want and to provide that.

    Chris, Sounds like your business is on the upstream so it's an important to analyze and figure our why the 4th quarter was better. I'm similar to you- lots of projects.

    Thank you all for sharing! Kaya

  • Christine Addison
    Posted by Christine Addison, Bellevue, Washington | Jan 03, 2009

    Hi Kaya - Our industry typically does well during economic hard times because tough times boost crime. In 2007, 134 intruders were apprehended at Sonitrol Pacific customers' sites and in 2008 it was 166. (And these are locations with great security! Makes me wonder what the numbers are for unsecured businesses) When times are hard businesses can least afford to take a hit and business owners do what they can to minimize risks of loss.

  • Goldie Jones
    Posted by Goldie Jones, Seattle, Washington | Jan 05, 2009

    2008 was a fantastic year for me, but I really have to thank my clients for that and their constant positive referrals to new clients throughout the year. I also expanded the range of my services by investing in rental equipment which has been a great added service to my clients and helps make me a one stop shop for everything they need for their projects.

    This has been the first holiday season since I started my company that I've had a little bit of downtime which I been taking advantage of by blogging, marketing, meeting people, and working on a redesign of my website. We'll see how 2009 goes, but January is lining up to be a decent month and I actually welcome any slow down as an opportunity to take some time to make some new connections.

  • Kaya Singer
    Posted by Kaya Singer, Portland, Oregon | Jan 05, 2009

    Christine Interesting what businesses do well when times are tough. I wouldn't have thought of alarm systems but that does make sense.

    Goldie- like you I have huge appreciation for my clients who constantly give me great referrals, however I am sure that you are doing a great job or they wouldn't refer people to you. The fact that you invested in the rental equipment sounds like a really good move in that it was meeting the needs of your customers. I also agree that is is so important to not let up on marketing. I did that once when I was really busy and four months later I felt it. Thanks for the sharing.

  • Taylor Ellwood
    Posted by Taylor Ellwood, Portland, Oregon | Jan 07, 2009

    It's too early in my case to tell. Not being a year old in this business, I'm still unsure. I certainly hope it will get better as this year progresses.

  • Kaya Singer
    Posted by Kaya Singer, Portland, Oregon | Jan 07, 2009

    Taylor Much support to you. The first year is really no indication because you are still figuring it all out- this is so true for solo-entrepreneurs. My tag line didn't even emerge correctly until after the second year and I was still "figuring out" what my business was. It will get better if you keep at it. Let me ever know it you want some support.

  • Ken Peters
    Posted by Ken Peters, Phoenix, Arizona | Jan 08, 2009

    Kaya,

    I agree. Businesses must market or die. It's a mantra that a mentor shared with me years ago, and despite it's somewhat negative tone, I've found it to be completely true.

    My clients that continue to market, and stay top of mind in the marketplace, are doing well. Clients that are pulling back are suffering.

    With my own business I have aggressively stepped up marketing initiatives and the return on investment has exceeded expectations. We have landed lucrative new contracts, established promising new relationships, and are looking forward to a very strong 2009. I'm excited about the possibilities that lie ahead!

  • Kaya Singer
    Posted by Kaya Singer, Portland, Oregon | Jan 08, 2009

    Ken

    Thanks for reinforcing the "marketing mantra." I like that phrase. I am always reminding my clients that it takes about four months to see the results of any marketing campaign. People are often impatient but impatience just doesn't work in growing and running a business.

    I like the name nocturnal graphics. Is that because you work better at night?

  • Ken Peters
    Posted by Ken Peters, Phoenix, Arizona | Jan 08, 2009

    Hi Kaya,

    Well, the name Nocturnal Graphic Design Studio came about years ago when I was doing some freelance work in the evenings when I'd get home from my "day job". When I left that day job to start my own studio I had actually built some equity in the name Nocturnal, so I kept it.

    Thanks for asking :)

  • Kaya Singer
    Posted by Kaya Singer, Portland, Oregon | Jan 08, 2009

    Ken I figured it has some fun story like that. Funny how names get started. Part of the story and history of your business. I think many people begin their business at night after their day job. Thanks for sharing.

  • Iris Salmins
    Posted by Iris Salmins, Atlanta and Houston, TX, Georgia | Jan 09, 2009

    I am the VP with a collection agency that specializes in the media industry. Businesses would have more money to invest back in their business if they were to use more wisdom in their accounting area. To begin with they should get money in advance. Many businesses today are using credit cards. That is a good idea and could help you save on emotional drain in the future. If you haven't gotten cash in advance you need to invoice your clients quickly and send out monthly statements. If a client honestly can't you, you might work out a reasonable payment plan with them. If you have called them and/or E-mailed your client three times in 3 weeks and they haven't responded, you need to get the account to a B2B collection agency that has integrity and will give you at least three references. Every contract should have a clause that says if your client doesn't pay that they will have to pay collection fees and/or attorney fees and/or court costs. It is your money, you have worked for it and you deserve to have it.

  • Ken Peters
    Posted by Ken Peters, Phoenix, Arizona | Jan 09, 2009

    Iris,

    Great advice! We have always required a project deposit, and long ago learned the hard way that collections clauses are sometimes an unfortunate necessity in contracts.

    If a client is having genuine difficulty we are more than willing to work with them to make finalizing payment as easy as possible, within a reasonable time frame. But, I am continually astonished by how many people in business simply don't take their payment commitments seriously, and how often we have to make a stand to get paid for work that was completed correctly, professionally, in a timely manner, and under contract!

    The good news is that the mere "threat" of collection fees, legal fees, and commensurate copyright infringement penalties (we're a design firm, so we get to tack that on as well) is typically enough to get somebody to put the check in the mail.

  • Iris Salmins
    Posted by Iris Salmins, Atlanta and Houston, TX, Georgia | Jan 09, 2009

    Yes,

    We advice our clients to let them know that will be contacting them so they will know our call is legit. Sometimes that is all it takes and of course they save our fee which is 15% to 20% depending on the amount.

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