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Michelle Goodman
Michelle Goodman
Freelance journalist + author of "My So-Called Freelance Life" and "The Anti 9-to-5 Guide"
Seattle, Washington
Posted by Michelle Goodman, Seattle, Washington | Nov 11, 2008

Subscribe to Community-wide general discussion When should you work for free?

Hey all, I have a guest blog post in today's New York Times that I thought would be of interest. It's about when "getting paid in promotion" and doing pro bono work is worth it for the self-employed, and when it stinks like rotten fish.

http://shiftingcareers.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/11/09/when-to-work-for-free/

Let me know if you have thoughts, questions, objections. I hear I already pissed off one design contest website, not that I'm complaining. :)


9 Bizniks have posted replies

  • Michelle Goodman
    Posted by Michelle Goodman, Seattle, Washington | Nov 11, 2008

    Forgot to mention that there's a link to Biznik in this piece!

  • Judy Dunn
    Posted by Judy Dunn, Seattle, Washington | Nov 11, 2008

    I will definitely check it out, Michelle.

    New York Times. Wow, that's awesome!

  • Judy Dunn
    Posted by Judy Dunn, Seattle, Washington | Nov 11, 2008

    Michele,

    What an excellent post. I left a comment. Everyone should read this!

  • Michelle Goodman
    Posted by Michelle Goodman, Seattle, Washington | Nov 11, 2008

    Thanks, Judy. Glad you liked. :)

  • Leif Hansen
    Posted by Leif Hansen, Port Townsend, Washington | Nov 11, 2008

    Great article Michelle, helped me to take a more sober perspective on the issue. I didn't have time to read the follow-up discussion, but it looks lively --which means you engaged people's heads and hearts.

    And thanks for the Biznik link, I like how it was the words "getting to know" <other> that you used to link -a big part of what we do here!

    Feel free to re-submit the article in Biznik articles if you haven't already.

    Cheers, Leif

  • Michelle Goodman
    Posted by Michelle Goodman, Seattle, Washington | Nov 11, 2008

    oh that's a good idea. will do later this month after the NYTimes discussion's over. thanks so much!

  • Gary Anderson
    Posted by Gary Anderson, Bainbridge Island, Washington | Nov 13, 2008

    I have two times I employ "free" services. One is when I am rolling out a new service package. I find a likely suspect and get a chance to run through the project at my pace and direction for the experience. The second is in a situation where, after helping someone with a problem (took fifteen minutes to save them thousands of $) and discovered during the exchange that they truly could not pay. In both cases it is my call. I reject any and all requests for free work, otherwise.

  • Scott Janzen
    Posted by Scott Janzen, Seattle, Washington | Nov 13, 2008

    Michelle:

    Excellent article. After 30 years of working for agencies large and small, I opened up my own PR practice two months ago. I've done (and continue to do) a ton of pro bono work in this market for great non-profits. I do it because a) I believe it's the right thing to do and b) it's great for business. I've made some amazing contacts through board work and within the non-profits themselves that have opened many doors.

    But in the for profit client arena: it's time to get creative. It's tough in this economy to get the green light on client work -- especially with start-ups and small business owners who wonder what tomorrow will bring. Cash is king. I don't want your stock. But I'm about to start making some concessions on fees to turn the red lights to green.

    Your thoughts?

    Scott

  • Michelle Goodman
    Posted by Michelle Goodman, Seattle, Washington | Nov 13, 2008

    Hi Scott, great comments. I wouldn't work for stock either, but I'm a journalist so my clients are a bit different than yours.

    As for adapting to the recession, some indie professionals are doing what they have to do to eat, be that working with clients with reduced budgets, doing pays-the-bills work that wouldn't be their first choice, or agreeing to subcontract for larger agencies. No one could fault you for that.

    I would suggest, though, being careful not to take too much work at a reduced rate. You'll just have that much farther up to negotiate when you go to raise your rates a year or so down the line.

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