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Neil Rondeau
Real Estate Agent (REALTOR)
Bellevue, Washington
Posted by Neil Rondeau, Bellevue, Washington | Mar 26, 2008

Subscribe to Want to trade with me? BizXchange: Wanted / Offered trade of services. Opinions, experiences and info?

Is anyone familiar with BizXchange? What was your experience and what would you like to share with the rest of us.

I was just invited to an event (Member Mixer) hosted by BizXchange. I am a Realtor in Bellevue, WA and not currently a member of BixXchange, so this is in no way a plug. Read on. As I was invited to that event today the business of trading services was on my mind. I thought I'd see what trusty old Biznik had to offer, and there it was! Here's the difference between the two as I understood it.

Biznik- Tell what you want and what you’ll trade. Not very regulated, traceable or reportable. There’s no real way to ensure payment here and not many avenues to recoup a loss. Though I think on the level and volume of services offered up or requested on Biznik, this may not be such a large issue but for isolated instances. The trade is free and agreed upon by the parties involved.

BizXchange- A regulated system of exchange recorded as a banking transaction with monetary equivalencies to services rendered that act as a credit or debit to a member’s account. I presume violations of trust and policy can be judged against the offending party. If you provide a service, you receive credits that may in turn be redeemed for that same credit value at a member business of your choosing throughout the network. And there is what amounts to a deal brokering or banking service fee, and you have an assigned “account manager” of sorts.

So that is what I got from speaking to someone today and simply looking at their website. Does anyone have anything to add? I am in residential Real Estate, so I am not sure what services I would feel comfortable or be able to trade in line with my profession. Perhaps I would or could if I knew more about it. Do tell.

If you want to check it out for yourself, this is their web address: www.bizx.com

-Neil Rondeau

6 Bizniks have posted replies

  • Barry Hurd
    Posted by Barry Hurd, Seattle, Washington | Mar 26, 2008

    I've looked at the BizXchange service in pretty good detail. I recommend bartering for services on a daily basis.

    The catch I see with BizXchange is two-fold: 1) you have to have something to barter. 2) you lose an economy percentage to BizX for the transaction.

    What I do is a "high barter" item. 99% of companies can utilize my services and gain benefit. So for me, bartering is almost like printing "free money" and I get a great economy of scale.

    BizX doesn't hold much value for my business because of the fact that I can already barter with 99% of businesses if I choose to.

    However if you only have something that 10% of businesses barter for.... for instance you do custom kitchen installations and can only barter with restaurant owners- you can actually take the barter system in BizX and get "barter credits" from the restaurant owner which can then be used like cash with other barter users of BizX. That means you could do a custom kitchen install for a restaurant, and then use the credits to purchase printing items from a printer i n the BizX network.

    I would generally believe that most businesses would be better off bartering directly and not using the BizX process. Even if I found a company on BizX, I would simply directly deal with them and save myself the % loss.

  • Neil Rondeau
    Posted by Neil Rondeau, Bellevue, Washington | Mar 26, 2008

    Barry,

    Thanks for sharing your insight and breakdown of how to maximize the system.
    Save the money. Skip the middle-person. Go directly to the supplier or service you want or that you can offer added value to. Curious to think the answer to how to get more out a new system which purports to simplify things very possibly ends up being to return to the basics that the system was there to improve. Can't get away from the basics. I agree that if the company is willing to operate in the BizXchange system, it's reasonable to expect they are pro-exchange.
    So if I understand you correctly, one major thing BizX offers some of us is a list of companies that are almost pre-qualified as entities which would go for the idea of you coming to them independent of BizX so long as they had need for your service.

    I appreciate you taking the time to share your answer with everyone. It was simple, direct, and practical. I like your style.

    -Neil Rondeau

  • Brian Crouch
    Posted by Brian Crouch, Bothell & Seattle, Washington | Mar 27, 2008

    Dittoes to Barry, and:

    The strongest application for barter in the BizX model is the trade of unused (or otherwise unusable) inventory. This is especially potent for goods with 'spoilage risk' (including show tickets or coupon books). Moving that inventory for barter credit is far smarter than letting it become a loss.

    As in any market, a middleman is the entity who profits from inefficiencies in that market: arbitrage of the same stock between two exchanges (NYSE, PHLX) used to be possible before the digital age. With the advent of instantaneous information retrieval market inefficiencies are mostly gone: unless an industry holds monopoly or regulatory control on the information, and buyers and sellers aren't talking directly. (Classified ads, middleman. Craigslist, death knell to that.)

    For most personal service corporations, the only barter-able "item" is time and skill. Applying game theory, it comes down to whether there is more inefficiency in hunting down the bartering partner or paying for someone else to make the connection. I think BizX is useful for things one couldn't efficiently capitalize or monetize, and for saving the time in hunting down a trade partner for goods.

  • Dan McComb
    Posted by Dan McComb, Seattle, Washington | Mar 27, 2008

    Brian, I think your last sentence sums up the value of BizX nicely: It's a service that is useful to the degree that it saves you time in hunting down trade partner for what you've got. And the reality is, most of us personal business owners on Biznik don't have much to trade other than our time (we are overwhelmingly service providers in this community). BizX seems designed for businesses with excess product, not for individuals with excess time.

  • Andrew Delany
    Posted by Andrew Delany, Seattle, WA, Washington | Mar 28, 2008

    I am a member of www.itex.com, another national barter site. It serves both businesses with products and businesses with time....and it is national. It costs to join, but we have received a great deal of material services for our intangible service of coaching. I recommend it, and if you want more info, please call or write me.

  • David Lipman
    Posted by David Lipman, Bellevue, Washington | Mar 28, 2008

    What a great discussion! I think I can provide some additional insight… I have been a member of BizXchange for over 4 years and have used trading of all types extensively within my business for many years.

    The first point I would like to clarify is that nearly any business can be a member of BizXchange, regardless if they are primarily product or service based. In fact, service based companies are sometimes even a better match for trade because all you are trading is your time. There is often no cash outlay to give your time where a product-based company has some sort of cost of goods in cash in order to provide for the transaction.

    I have had many experiences with direct trading and will tell you for me, BizX makes trading much more flexible for me. Direct trading has three inherent challenges, 1. Two companies have to have exactly what each other needs at the same time at the exact same value. That match is sometimes difficult to find and can hinder the trading possibilities of a company. 2. There is typically no consistency in the way in which the two companies track and account for the transactions (could be problematic if you or they were audited). 3. There is always the financial risk that you will not get to “redeem” your trade if a company were to go out of business.

    The trade model that BizX provides me allows my trading dollars to be much more liquid. I am not stuck with having to find a perfect match with only one business. You get the benefit of the new customer and the benefit of being able to spend the trade dollars anywhere in the network. Plus they track everything on monthly statements and provide me a 1099 at the end of the year for my IRS reporting. Also, the BizX dollars never expire so I use them whenever I want. I personally think these benefits are well worth the cost of the transaction fees that BizX charges.

    I have also been a member of ITEX. I nolonger use ITEX and find that the membership of BizXchange to be much more valuable, not in terms of number of members, but in quality of members and the products and services they provide. After all, the trade dollar is only as valuable as what you can buy with it and I have had a lot of challenges finding quality places to spend my ITEX dollars.

    I feel I can recommend BizXchange as an additional sales channel to those businesses that have any sort of capacity to spare.

This forum is unmoderated, but please keep discussion courteous and not too far off topic.

Members posting in this topic

  • Barry Hurd
    Social Media Promotion and Training
    Seattle, Washington
  • Neil Rondeau
    Neil Rondeau
    Real Estate Agent (REALTOR)
    Bellevue, Washington
  • Brian Crouch
    Social Media Promotion & Link...
    Bothell & Seattle, Washington
  • Dan McComb
    Online business networking
    Seattle, Washington
  • Andrew Delany
    Andrew Delany
    Personal Coach, Life Exfoliator, Public...
    Seattle, WA, Washington
  • David Lipman
    David Lipman
    Computer Consulting
    Bellevue, Washington

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