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Rachel Whalley
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Posted by Rachel Whalley, Seattle, Washington | Mar 18, 2009

Subscribe to Enneagram Lovers and Explorers - Discussion What's Your Type?

Ok, let's weigh in!

I'd love to know what our group is looking like so far. My assumption is that if you're here, you're pretty clued in to your Enneagram type.

So please introduce yourself, and tell us what your type means to you (what you like about it, what challenges you, etc).

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  • Rachel Whalley
    Posted by Rachel Whalley, Seattle, Washington | Mar 18, 2009

    I'm your group admin, Rachel Whalley. I'm a psychotherapist and energy healer. Been studying the Enneagram experientially for over three years, and I host workshops in Biznik and outside to help people connect with the energy of the Enneagram.

    I'm currently creating a workshop that will offer CEUs to therapists who want to discover how the Enneagram can be applied usefully in clinical practice. I'm also filming a documentary of Enneagram types. (If you're interested in being part of this, let me know!)

    For those who don't know this already, I'm a type 8, with likely a 9 wing. Self-preservation subtype.

    What it means to me is that I've learned to accept my ballsy-ness and to love my fearless truthtelling nature. I've got no problem setting boundaries and making sure my relationships are filled with respect, honor, compassion, and integrity.

    One of my growing edges with being an 8 is about "pushing the override button," as my friend says. The times where I can just push aside my discomfort in order to serve a larger or different purpose. Which, don't get me wrong, is a great ability to have, but also one I can abuse. And then get sick. :(

    I'm working on it.

    What are you working on?

  • Pete DiSantis, CMC
    Posted by Pete DiSantis, CMC, Renton, Washington | Mar 18, 2009

    I'm a nine and I love it. I have also been told I am bi-wing-ual. I have the 8 and 1 tendencies. That's cool, too. When I am not balanced, I can be the anal retentive drill sargeant. I prefer balance. I have not learned my subtype.

    I see a nine as in balance, in the center of the symbol/diagram, a peacemaker, a negotiator, a strategist.

    I do not like the shadow fo the nine (laziness). I see it as unproductive when I want to be more useful.

    Thanks for setting up this group, Pete P>}

  • Lara Feltin
    Posted by Lara Feltin, Seattle, Washington | Mar 18, 2009

    Interesting, Pete! Dan's a Nine too, and I see a lot of similarities in your description.

    I'm a very strong Four - and have an obsession with feeling special. When I'm out of balance, I regress towards the negatives aspects of the Two - martyrdom with a feeling like no one appreciates all I do for them. But I haven't experienced that in a long time. I evolve towards the positive aspects of the One - things are in order and have their place, I'm meeting deadlines and making sh*t happen.

    I've been studying and applying the Enneagram to my life since I was introduced to it in 1989. It's a fantastic tool, and the story behind it's 5000-year history is extraordinary.

  • Pete DiSantis, CMC
    Posted by Pete DiSantis, CMC, Renton, Washington | Mar 18, 2009

    I am married to a 4 with a 3 wing. Nines go to 3 in their heart. When we are both in 3 mode, we got a lot of stuff done quickly. It was the best part.

  • Margit Crane
    Posted by Margit Crane, Seattle/Bellevue, Washington | Mar 18, 2009

    I'm a 4 married to a 9 too, Pete! And similar to Lara with the 1 and 2 bits. Plus I definitely have a 5 wing.

    I have a love-hate relationship with the Enneagram and with the person who taught it to me!!

  • Colleen Wainwright
    Posted by Colleen Wainwright, Los Angeles, California | Mar 19, 2009

    Lara - It figures there'd be a 9 somewhere behind the Biznik concept (and a 4! I don't want you to think your own part in this isn't noted and valued!)

    I was only recently introduced to the Enneagram. My friend, Peleg, pegged me as a 3 with a 4 wing, which is just what I turned out to be.

    I'm jumping over to that other thread now to see about good books on the topic. But if there are any 3s out there, I have a good PDF chapter about us. Email me!

  • Rachel Whalley
    Posted by Rachel Whalley, Seattle, Washington | Mar 20, 2009

    Yay! So glad that you all are joining in to this convo. :)

    So far we have two 4s, a 9 and a 3.

    Margit, I'm really intrigued about your love/hate relationship with the Enneagram. Setting aside the fact that such a statement definitely sounds 4-ish, I wonder if you'd be willing to reveal more?

    What about the Enneagram do you love and what do you hate?

    Colleen, I'd been wondering about your type. I follow you on Twitter and wasn't sure from what I read, since the only thing I'm sure of is that you're funny.

    What does being a 3 mean to you? Has that information helped you understand anything better about yourself?

    Also, I know there's LOTS of 3s in Biznik. Laura Cruikshank, I strongly suspect, is one and I know Jennifer Manlowe and Jeremy Horn are. I also know quite a few others I suspect of being 3s, but haven't had a chance to introduce them to the system.

    I think it would be SO awesome if you'd be willing to post your information about 3s as an article to this group. What do you think?

  • Rachel Lyn Rumson
    Posted by Rachel Lyn Rumson, Portland , Maine | Mar 20, 2009

    I hear that I might be a 4. :-) I'm not sure. After reading some, I believed I was a 2. So, I look forward to learning more..

  • Rachel Whalley
    Posted by Rachel Whalley, Seattle, Washington | Mar 20, 2009

    Perhaps you could come to my intro event in a couple weeks, my dear. I would love to have you there. :D

  • Rachel Lyn Rumson
    Posted by Rachel Lyn Rumson, Portland , Maine | Mar 20, 2009

    If I can I will.

    I just took a test with the following results: You are most likely a type 4.

    Taking wings into account, you seem to be a 4w3 or 7w8.

    Then, I read the bits and I am feeling that Seven is way more me then 4. There are some 4 traits for sure but many 4 traits are not me. When I read seven on the other hand, it is more on point like all that it says fits.

  • Banu Sekendur
    Posted by Banu Sekendur, Clearwater, Florida | Mar 20, 2009

    I am a 7. I enjoy being a 7 but has its challenges. Can I switch? :))

  • Rachel Whalley
    Posted by Rachel Whalley, Seattle, Washington | Mar 20, 2009

    Well, Rachel Lyn, we'll either hash it out over lunch sometime or you'll make it to my event and see what you think.

  • Rachel Whalley
    Posted by Rachel Whalley, Seattle, Washington | Mar 20, 2009

    Banu, doll, I hope you NEVER switch, even if it were possible.

    What challenges do you have in being a 7?

  • Amanda Nokes
    Posted by Amanda Nokes, Seattle, Washington | Mar 20, 2009

    You told me what I was when we went to lunch and I can not remember at all. (I bet that plays into what I am) I will be attending your class, can't wait! Of course, that is mostly because I adore you and want to see and learn. (again, I bet that plays into my numbers)

  • Jennifer Manlowe, PhD, CPC
    Posted by Jennifer Manlowe, PhD, CPC, Seattle, Washington | Mar 20, 2009

    Hi Rachel and y'all!

    I am indeed living the life of an Enneagram THREE and it's been an interesting journey of "recovering" the best parts of that PERFORMER/ACHIEVER energy and noticing when it's in overdrive (usually when I'm anxious or feeling invisible).

    SOME BASICS ABOUT THREES:

    Love and recognition are only for "champions."

    Habitual Focus of Attention: Tasks, Roles, & Results

    What "Performers" observe about themselves:
    Their primary identification is with accomplishment and success;

    They seek approval and acceptance based on performance;

    Their attention goes to task;

    Image is important;

    They feel constant pressure to perform; and

    There is an inattention to feelings/"Not now!"

    Find out more about YOUR Enneagram Number HERE

    And, if you want a free test that I think Rachel likes, take this one (from my website): Enneagram Quiz

    Share what you learn 'cause I love this stuff. I'm actually offering my own FIRST Enneagram Retreat (for St. Joe's Women's Group) in early April.

  • Becca Campbell
    Posted by Becca Campbell, Burien, Washington | Mar 20, 2009

    I believe I'm a Two with a dominant Three wing. One test said I was a Three...but I identify more with Two.

    "Twos with a dominant Three wing

    Such Twos are more extraverted. They want a personal connection with others and enjoy making others feel good. They love to share their talents with family and loved ones.

    Whilst friendly their Three wing makes them ambitious. They are often seductive as the result of a combination between the desire for love and the Three desire for acceptance. These people are less self-critical than Twos with a dominant One wing. When unhealthy are often conceited and overbearing."

    This makes a lot of sense and reminds me why I do what I do most of the time and keeps me in check.

  • Rachel Whalley
    Posted by Rachel Whalley, Seattle, Washington | Mar 20, 2009

    Amanda, at lunch we figured out you're the same type as me: an Eight. It's why you love me so much. ;)

    Probably a 7 wing. But if you come to the class we'll discover more thoroughly together.

  • Rachel Whalley
    Posted by Rachel Whalley, Seattle, Washington | Mar 21, 2009

    Jennifer, yay! So glad you're hopping in. You were such a great contributor in one of my recent workshops. I'm excited you're in the mix here.

    Thanks for all those links. In actuality, I don't like any Enneagram tests unless they're taken in conjunction with an in-person assessment by an expert.

    Every test for type is unreliable, simply by the nature that's it's nearly impossible to get a written test that elicits true motivational impulses (which is the only thing, other than energy, that can pinpoint type).

    That being said, I do appreciate you sharing a short online test because, well, people like taking them and it's a good step on the path to learning more about the system.

    Becca, I'm intrigued by you being a 2 w/3. I know we only met the one time, but it wouldn't have been my guess for your type. I'm interested to learn more.

  • Margit Crane
    Posted by Margit Crane, Seattle/Bellevue, Washington | Mar 25, 2009

    I love the positive/integrated part of being a 4. The drama got overwhelming at one time and all I could focus on was how do I get out of the drama to get the good stuff? Once I stopped "doing" Enneagram stuff, the drama went away!

  • Rachel Whalley
    Posted by Rachel Whalley, Seattle, Washington | Mar 25, 2009

    That sounds like a fascinating story. I can definitely understand that a 4 could get lost in too much introspection!

    So how do you use the positive side of 4-ness? I expect that it applies in your profession as an ADD coach with kids...

  • Margit Crane
    Posted by Margit Crane, Seattle/Bellevue, Washington | Mar 30, 2009

    I have to NOT try to be a 4, just be Margit. The natural enthusiasm and quirkiness comes out easier and better when I'm not all hung up about it.

    Quirky totally works for people (especially kids) with ADD because we can get stuck in our perceptions and it's great to have someone give you a metaphorical slap to tweak your perception.

    For instance, I was working with one client last week and she was going on an on about her crazy "hookups" and I said, "So you're taking a shower with X, pretend you're the bar of soap - what are you thinking about all these hookups?" It was great :-)

  • Rachel Whalley
    Posted by Rachel Whalley, Seattle, Washington | Mar 31, 2009

    Nice intervention, Margit!

    Sure, I hear ya, that it's important to not get too hung up on being our types. That voice is just one part of what makes us US, after all.

  • John Hays
    Posted by John Hays, Seattle, Washington | Apr 06, 2009

    At one of Rachel's excellent intro classes, with a follow-up over coffee, I was pegged as a Type 1 with a strong 7 connection, a 9 wing (possibly equi-winged) and a social subtype.

    Works for me.

    And Rachel, I would be up for any other class(es) you might want to put on to expand on what you do in your intro. There are so many ways you could go with this; I would defer to your best judgment about what would be most useful to a diverse group like the Biznik community.

  • Jennifer Manlowe, PhD, CPC
    Posted by Jennifer Manlowe, PhD, CPC, Seattle, Washington | Apr 06, 2009

    What a great discussion, everyone! Thank you.

    Rachel, I'm not sure where the discussion is on what your group members would want for a new ENNEAGRAM WORKSHOP led by you. I'm guessing that laying out my wishes here will work for you and maybe this group.

    I've just offered an intro and the group participants begged me to do a part II on romantic relationships and enneagram. My guess is one could broaden it to just "relationships" to include bosses, kids, lovers, flings, if that person felt like it. Up to you.

    "I just know, as a three, I wanna get something useful out of it to become an even better enneagram facilitator!" -- a three always says stuff like this but usually in her/his head (inside voice).

    p.s. I've tested 3 with a 2 wing (more recently) and 3 with a 1 wing from age 3 to 30, I swear!

  • Jennifer Manlowe, PhD, CPC
    Posted by Jennifer Manlowe, PhD, CPC, Seattle, Washington | Apr 06, 2009

    Hi Rachel and the gang. Reading these posts has been fascinating.

    Hey, I just gave a workshop entitled Uncovering Obstacles & Assets for Your Unique Spiritual Practice within An Enneagram Framework. This event was held at SLEEPING LADY in Leavenworth, WA and, I must say, it was wonderful.

    I love the work of Riso & Hudson and so did the participants. What they wanted most as a NEXT Enneagram Workshop is one on Romance and the Enneagram: What Do I Need to Know to Find and/or Get Along with Mr./Ms. Right?

    I've decided to offer this workshop at my own Sound View Retreat Center (on the puget sound on Bainbridge Island). It would be so cool to have our Biznik Enneagram group come for free with the caveat that they brought a friend who paid the $50 (half off).

    Of course, I can't wait for your next enneagram workshop for those of us who fancy ourselves "intermediate" students. When is your book with your friend going to follow? I hope you'll let me help!

    Blessings to all!

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